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Calling Bullshit on Joy
Alysa Liu's gold medal at the 2026 Winter Olympics has everyone talking about joy — about following your bliss, about how the universe rewards you when you stop chasing the outcome. Maricella watched it and felt something more complicated.
In this minisode, she uses three figure skaters to explore what it actually looks like to perform for yourself versus performing for something external. Alysa Liu, whose comeback is being held up as proof that joy is enough. Amber Glenn, who moved from 13th to 5th after years of publicly battling anxiety, eating disorders, and suicidal ideation — and who still couldn't fully escape the pressure. And Ilia Malinin, the "Quad God" with 14 consecutive wins going in, who still got in his head.
What does it really mean to do something for joy? Is Alysa's story as simple as we're making it? And why is Amber Glenn's comeback — the one that didn't end in a medal — somehow the most moving thing Maricella watched all week?
If you've ever wanted to believe the "just do what you love" story but found yourself not quite buying it, this one might help you figure out why.
Topics: Alysa Liu, Amber Glenn, Ilia Malinin, Winter Olympics 2026, figure skating, joy vs. outcome, mental health, comparison, burnout, career, imposter syndrome
Transcript
Have you ever felt like the script you're
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:following doesn't quite fit anymore?
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:Then you're in the right place.
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:I'm Maricella Herrera and I started.
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:Shit I just quit my job after walking
away from a job I thought to find me?
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:Forget the highlight reels.
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:Here.
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:We talk about the messy middle, the
doubts, the detours, and the chaos
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:that come with rethinking who we are.
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:Because the truth is, it was
never just about quitting a job.
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:It was about questioning
everything I thought I knew.
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:Hi everyone.
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:Welcome to Sh*t I just quit
my job, minisode edition.
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:I'm your host, Maricella Herrera.
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:Thanks for joining me.
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:It's time for our one-on-one where
I get to share some of the stuff
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:that's in my head, and hopefully
it helps you a little bit.
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:I've been really struggling with what
to say both in the minisode as in my
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:writing in Substack, I posted something
that was pretty vulnerable a couple of
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:weeks ago, and I think I still had a
little bit of a vulnerability hangover.
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:I think there's been this aspect of me
trying to control what I share because.
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:I wanna be open and honest and vulnerable,
but I also wanna appear like I have my
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:shit together because eventually I would
like people to hire me, and sometimes
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:I feel like those two can't coexist,
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:which has become a little bit of an
obstacle and a barrier for me as I
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:try to create more and make my way.
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:But I'm here and the point is to show up.
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:So I'm showing up and I'm gonna tell
you a little bit about my last week.
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:It was my partner's birthday on Monday and
we had planned like little celebrations.
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:Monday we went out for dinner and then
Thursday we went, to see a Broadway show,
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:And he had decided to take off Friday from
work so that we could do something fun.
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:And me, I obviously don't have
a nine to five, but I decided
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:to block the whole day, so I
wouldn't have any calls that way.
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:We would have a free day together But
it was gray, it was rainy, it was cold.
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:So we actually decided we just wanted
to have a quiet day in, we ordered
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:food, had a nice little brunch.
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:turned on the Olympics and we were
just going to hang out and rest.
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:It should have felt like a gift.
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:But something started happening to
me, like there was something that
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:started shaking like something that
I couldn't quite name, but that was.
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:Brewing inside me.
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:I was watching these women who
were doing extraordinary things
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:at an extraordinary level,
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:and something in me kind
of started tightening.
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:I started fidgeting.
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:I started grabbing my phone Something
started to feel like there was wrong.
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:Like in my head, I started going,
why am I not doing anything?
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:Why am I sitting here
watching TV on a Friday?
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:Why
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:am I not
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:accomplishing something?
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:And I grabbed my phone opened Substack
and I saw all of these notifications
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:and posts and notes and, and I
subscribed to way too many Substack.
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:I'll be honest, I think that that's
part of it because I see all of
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:these posts come up and it feels like
everyone is doing and doing and doing.
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:And then I see all of the
notes And there's this aspect
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:of why am I not showing up?
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:Why haven't I posted?
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:Why haven't I said anything?
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:why am I not doing something
and it feels so dumb.
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:It was a spiral that I currently,
as I am talking about it, I
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:feel as a massive weight and
tightening in my chest even now.
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:It should have been a lovely day.
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:Should have, and I know that I
have a lot of troubles with the
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:shoulds, but that lovely day turned
into something's wrong with me.
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:It turned into
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:I'm not good.
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:I not good, quote, unquote
good in many ways, right?
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:Like in all the things, good
means I'm not dedicated.
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:I'm not capable of working hard.
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:I'm not even capable of taking a break
because when I take a break, I spiral.
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:So what the fuck?
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:And unless you've been living under
a rock, you probably know what,
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:at least everyone in my feed and
everyone else is talking about since
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:that women's free skate competition
and that is Alysa Liu and her
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:incredible, incredible performance.
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:I didn't know anything about Alysa.
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:But you didn't need to know anything
about her to see the freaking joy in her
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:face every time the camera caught her.
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:That was when she did her
short program before, after it.
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:That was when she was warming up,
taking pictures, and particularly
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:throughout her full free skate.
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:She looked happy.
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:She looked like she was enjoying
the shit out of being there.
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:Honestly, like she.
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:It looked the way I wanted to feel,
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:and her story just was even better
the more you learned about it.
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:she was a prodigy She was 13 when
she, I can't remember if it was
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:nationals or what, but she won this
competition and it's so cute to see
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:the, the footage where like they
had to help her get up on the podium
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:'cause she was this tiny little thing.
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:She, it was killing it, but she was also
a kid and the sport was killing her.
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:And the narrative has been, she decided
when she was 16 to quit, stop competing
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:because the pressure and the lifestyle she
was living and the fact that that was her
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:whole world skating was too much for her.
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:And then she came back
two years after that.
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:She started skating again, doing it.
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:For herself she wasn't chasing medals.
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:she's doing it because she loves it.
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:People are talking about Alyssa Lu as
that someone who followed her bliss,
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:someone who did this thing because
she loved it, and the universe finally
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:conspired to give her what she wanted,
give her all the recognition because
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:she was showing up for a place of
existing in the thing that she loves to
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:do's.
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:A beautiful story.
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:Very inspirational story.
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:I cried as I watched her look
so free and so joyful on ice.
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:I cried as I saw her go into the
camera saying, that's what I'm
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:fucking talking about, because that's
what I'm fucking talking about.
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:That's what we all want, right?
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:Like that's, that's the joy that we
all want and we all want, I think,
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:to find that success within that joy.
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:because I do think that even though
she says she wasn't chasing gold,
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:I can't believe That inside her,
there wasn't a small part of her
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:that wasn't craving that medal.
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:That wasn't reaching for that medal.
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:I'm sure there was.
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:I think it's impossible if you're
giving it your all to not want that.
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:Maybe it wasn't the most important thing.
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:And I think that that is the lesson.
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:But there was part of me that kept
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:seeing her
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:and wanting to call bullshit.
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:I know, I'm sorry.
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:But there was, there was this part of
me that kept seeing her and saying, nah,
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:and I felt bad for it.
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:I really did, because
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:I want to believe
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:because I think it's possible.
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:But at the same time, I'm
looking at her and I am judging
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:her from my own heaviness.
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:I'm judging her through
my own messed up filter.
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:I'm not in her head.
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:I don't know.
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:I'm calling bullshit.
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:So something I'm not capable of knowing.
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:Because I'm calling bullshit for
me because I know for me, I am
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:not at that spot and I would love
to be at that spot, but I'm not.
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:And I think that's jealousy, that's envy.
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:And I have a very, very bad
relationship with that word.
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:And
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:that's comparison.
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:Something I know I'm
dealing with all the time.
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:Because like I said, as I was
watching this beautiful thing
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:unfold, in between breaks, I was.
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:Looking at Substack and comparing
myself to the people posting.
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:I was having this bad habit
of telling myself, if you love
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:something, why can't you do it?
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:If you say you love something like
writing, why aren't you writing?
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:If you say you love something like
podcasting, why isn't it growing?
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:Because if you love something, and
if it's all about just showing up
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:with joy and loving something, then I
guess I should be showing up right now
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:Because if I'm not doing something,
then maybe I'm not loving it enough,
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:and maybe if I don't love it enough.
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:I will never succeed at it Like you can
see how messed up all these thoughts are.
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:So I don't know if it's
making sense or not
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:because why can't I do it?
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:Am I lazy?
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:What's wrong with my work ethic?
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:I even got to the point of
telling myself, you're already
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:failed because you're not a mom.
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:Let this sink in.
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:I'm not saying I failed because I'm not
a mom, like a failure because I don't
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:have kids, because I don't believe that.
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:But in my mind, I was already comparing
myself to the people who have kids work
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:nine to five, do the side hustle, do
all these things, and since I already
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:didn't have that one like point of
friction of having kids, everything
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:else was already invalidated because
I already have that much more time
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:than all these people who have kids.
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:So why am I not doing.
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:More than them.
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:Instead of focusing on me on
what I was doing, I'm already
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:comparing myself to everyone.
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:I saw the 60 Minutes interview
with her and her father, and it
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:made me think of how much more than
just saying she walked away from a
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:sport that was killing her, really
came into what this young woman did.
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:She calls her dad in that interview.
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:The engine of her ambition,
or the presenter does, I think
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:basically when she was very
young, he was the one pushing her.
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:He says he spent probably a
million dollars on her skating.
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:She says it was his business.
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:It wasn't her business,
it was his business.
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:Basically.
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:He saw her talent, the coaches
saw her talent, people saw that
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:she was a prodigy, but she still
was carrying someone else's dream.
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:I've had many people on my podcast
talk about driving someone else's
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:car or doing a job that wasn't really
theirs because it wasn't really the
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:dream that they had for themselves.
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:and I'll say a lot of it is first
generation immigrants, or kids
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:of immigrants who feel this way.
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:And Alysa Liu is a child
of an immigrant, a refugee.
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:So she was carrying all of
this burden that wasn't hers.
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:No wonder there was pressure.
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:Of course, she felt that weight.
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:She said that when COVID hit, she
actually wished that post COVID,
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:the rink wouldn't open because
she didn't wanna do it anymore.
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:She didn't wanna go back.
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:She went back, she came in sixth,
and then that's when she quit
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:and she deleted her Instagram.
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:She went silent.
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:She went in, she went into herself.
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:She did things to get to know herself, to
try things, to find out what she loved.
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:And that's really
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:what made her be strong enough
to come back strong enough.
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:And I don't mean strong enough in
the sense of like, oh, I'm strong.
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:I'm gonna try this again,
regardless of what I have.
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:No, I mean strong enough to say.
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:What are my terms?
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:What do I care about?
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:How do I want to engage with this sport?
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:She made
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:an effort to establish boundaries
with her coaches, with her father.
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:It was for her, not for them anymore.
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:And that I think is
part of the difference.
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:It's not just that she
was doing it for joy,
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:she was doing it for her.
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:there's one thing to say about seeing
people doing the thing they love
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:with a face of joy and maybe managing
their nervousness well, like she did.
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:And she says people have to explain
pressure to her because she doesn't
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:know, doesn't feel it anymore.
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:and trust me, I saw some videos of
her when she was younger and that
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:little child's face conveyed pressure.
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:She knew what pressure was at that moment.
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:So it's not that she's never felt
it, it's that she's developed
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:a better relationship with it.
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:And what 60 Minutes interview made me
think differently was because it's one
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:thing to see someone perform magically.
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:Be happy.
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:It's a very different thing to see
someone fall and to still smile.
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:And in her interview you saw her fall
in practice over and over and she would
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:smile and she would kind of say, oops.
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:Or like something.
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:But even with joy, even with the
happy face, even with doing this for
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:yourself, you're still gonna fall.
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:The host called it constant
pounding in pursuit of perfection.
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:And I wrote that down because I
think there's two things here.
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:The constant pounding part I think is
fair, but the in pursuit of perfection,
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:I don't know if that is what she's doing.
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:Maybe it is.
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:Which then kind of brings
me to that like weird.
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:Dissonant feeling of thinking
she's not going for gold.
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:Because if I'm saying, if we're saying
that she's going constantly through this
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:to get to pursue perfection, that means
she's really pursuing something external.
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:It's not about the joy per se.
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:It's about that external perfection.
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:And I don't know if, if Alyssa
would've agreed with that or not.
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:Like I don't know.
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:But what she said, what Alyssa actually
said, I think that makes more sense
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:than this pursuit of perfection.
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:She said that she loves struggling
because it makes her feel alive.
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:So she loves the falls because
it makes her feel alive.
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:when she said that.
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:I wrote it down and I found
myself saying, I want that.
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:I want the struggle that
will make me feel alive.
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:I don't wanna feel like despite the
struggle, but because of it, and
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:I think that's the part that we're
not looking at in Alyssa's story.
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:We're just seeing the happiness.
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:People aren't talking
enough about Amber Glenn.
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:When I watch the short program,
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:I saw Amber
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:skating beautifully until
she missed an element.
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:Which got her zero points.
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:So after the short program,
she was in 13th place.
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:You could tell how devastated she was.
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:She came out of the rink looking
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:completely.
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:Devastated crying.
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:When asked, she said it was soul crushing.
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:She said she had it.
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:it just got away from her.
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:She said her dreams had
been crushed into pieces.
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:It was so sad, and I started hearing
how she was a mental health advocate
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:and all these things, I started trying
to learn more about her and turns
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:out her story is darker than just
the high level I, I learned, she had,
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:I struggled with anxiety.
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:Eating disorders, suicidal ideation.
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:She was in a psychiatric facility in 2015.
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:she struggled.
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:She struggled to the point that there
are quotes of her saying she didn't
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:wanna be on this earth anymore,
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:and she spent some time
away from the sport.
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:But like Alyssa, she came back.
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:She came back strong, she won
three consecutive national titles.
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:She
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:shared her story because she believes that
there were all of these athletes fighting
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:in silence and struggling in silence.
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:she wanted to be a part of the
people who show, Hey, dude,
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:it's not as rosy as it seems.
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:and yes, we might struggle with
these things and yet there are
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:ways for you to keep going.
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:she's really
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:an incredible story of resilience.
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:She built these systems
to manage pressure.
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:She started doing neurofeedback.
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:She, uses this mantra,
believe and breathe.
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:Believe and breathe.
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:She has done a lot of work on herself.
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:Both of them have right, Alyssa and
Amber, different type of works that work.
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:Amber's coach has a heart monitor, a heart
rate monitor that they're looking at so
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:that they can call Amber when her level
spike because they really want to make
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:sure that she's healthy, that she's okay.
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:She talks about her support system,
like you know, that this woman has in
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:put incredible effort into making sure
that she has the supports she needs
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:and at the Olympics.
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:The short program didn't go well and
she came back two days later and I
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:remember saying to my partner, fuck,
like, I don't know if I could do it.
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:Like if I knew I was that far behind when
I had tried so hard and worked so hard
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:how do you come back to a performance
to try to give it your all knowing that
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:it's gonna be insanely hard for you to
get anywhere near where you want it to.
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:But boy, did Amber come back.
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:She skated.
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:One of the best programs of her life.
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:That's how she described it.
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:It was insane to see.
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:She came back with planning a
triple axle that I think only an
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:one other contestant in the whole,
free skate program was gonna try.
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:So she had a really hard technical skate.
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:She gave it her all.
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:When she finished, you could
see the happiness in her face.
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:She looked like she was enjoying
it, going back to this part of joy.
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:And not only did she fucking kill
it, she moved from 13th place.
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:She finished in fifth place.
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:Okay.
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:No, she didn't meddle,
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:but she leaped from where she was
and she kept that lead for a while.
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:She showed up
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:regardless of joy or no joy.
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:She showed up.
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:And here's the thing about Amber too.
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:It's that I kept thinking through the
programs it is somehow so much more
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:inspiring than anything else to see
that leap that she made, to see her have
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:shown up when things were not going well.
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:To see her openly talking about her sexual
identity, her mental health, her struggles
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:to see her living out loud, not hiding,
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:not pretending that she
didn't feel the pressure.
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:Because she could have, she could
have been like, no, I'm good.
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:And of course, probably no one
would've believed her because you
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:can tell that she was nervous,
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:but she owned it.
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:And yes, unfortunately this
pressure still got to her.
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:It got in her head
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:because she was still competing
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:for something external.
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:Because even after Alyssa's win, Amber
said, if you consider your mental
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:health and treat it right, great things
can happen that quote is also very
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:interesting because even as she is
talking about Alyssa and how amazing
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:it was, she's still thinking about
the great things that can happen.
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:It's still outcome adjacent,
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:and I'm not poo-pooing on Amber.
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:Trust me.
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:I like am so inspired by Amber,
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:but she's still performing for something.
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:I think I never would've made
that connection if I hadn't
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:seen her performing at the gala.
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:And this is the same for Ilia
Mali nin for the Quad, God,
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:when they performed at the gala.
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:There.
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:They seemed happy there.
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:They seemed powerful.
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:They weren't performing for anything else.
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:I don't think at that point they
were performing for themselves.
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:Amber isn't a cautionary tale.
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:I'm not saying this as like, oh,
you should not think of the outcome.
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:I wish I could say that I wish I
could be Alyssa, but to me, Alyssa
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:is really an aspirational model.
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:Amber's a reality.
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:I feel like I'm living
in most of the time.
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:Most of the time I'm living in
Amber's world where I am still
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:conditioned to look at the outcome.
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:Where I'm still conditioned
to doubt myself.
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:There's another interesting
thing about these two skaters.
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:One thing I loved seeing, When
Alyssa came out with her group,
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:Amber had already skated.
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:and Alyssa was looking for her.
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:She was saying hi to people, but
she was looking for Amber, asking
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:about Amber trying to find Amber
to celebrate her free skate because
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:Amber had done so amazingly well.
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:And these women, God is
it lovely to see them.
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:It was like, I still te tear up
right now as I'm thinking about it,
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:how they were supporting each other.
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:from how Alyssa was looking for Amber,
but also the big hug Alyssa gave to, the
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:final skater who won bronze I don't know.
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:You could see these
moments of camaraderie, and
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:I'm mentioning this
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:because it was very genuine,
And I read this in a Time
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:magazine piece on Amber Glenn.
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:it's kind of two different portions,
but I'm, I'm gonna read them.
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:'cause I think it describes the
world in which these skaters grew up,
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:and it says The anxiety was fueled
by the sports competitive structure,
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:which pits athletes against each other
in a constant cycle of comparisons.
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:As participants in a judge sport,
skaters are trained at a young age
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:to learn that everything about them,
their appearance, their body shape,
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:their costumes and their skating style
are open for criticism and praise.
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:For young female skaters in particular,
there is an ideal that they strive
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:for the image of the perfect ice
princess without a single flaw.
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:In a different part of this
article, Amber Glenn is quoted
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:competing at local competitions.
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:She says, felt like life or
death, and it didn't help that
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:her entire world was skating.
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:So everyone around her fed off
the same mentality of striving for
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:perfection and never being satisfied.
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:That was our normal.
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:Our coaches would pit us against
each other, and at 10 years
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:old, we were forced to have this
competitiveness and comparison.
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:It's so toxic.
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:Obviously I did not grow up skating, so
I've never been part of this world, but
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:I do know this feeling.
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:this is the same feeling I get
when I open LinkedIn and I see what
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:everyone else has accomplished.
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:It's the same feeling I get when I see
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:how other people are building their
brand and their business, and I'm not.
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:I'm still rooting for them.
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:Don't get me wrong.
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:I am, but I still have that
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:impulse to compare myself, to check
where I am and I, the silliest thing
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:is we might not even be competing.
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:Like it's not only that we're not
competing because there's boundless
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:opportunity for everything, but probably
not even playing the same sport.
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:And yet that's where my mind goes.
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:Because that's what I've been
conditioned to, to this competition,
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:but these women, there they are.
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:They were technically pitted against
each other, and yet they're supporting
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:each other and rooting for each
other, and so proud of each other.
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:I think no one's talking about
that part enough because they
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:were able to get over that.
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:they were not just able to get over the
pressure, although surely for some of
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:us, and Amber and the, the pressure's
still there, but they were able to get
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:through that comparison, maybe not fully,
but to a point where they found support.
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:In the 60 Minutes interview with Alyssa,
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:I found something that was
really beautiful The interviewer
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:asked her if she considered
herself an artist or an athlete.
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:It was something like that.
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:The interview happened
before the Olympics.
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:At that point, she said artists And that
was interesting to me because the way
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:I understood this, from what she said
is that she views these competitions
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:as an opportunity for performance.
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:And I'm not talking about performance
of like performing at a certain level.
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:I'm talking about artistry
as performance, right?
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:Like she sees this as an
opportunity for her to perform.
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:On a stage,
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:which
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:is different from the framing
of competition, because if
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:we're all performing on a stage,
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:the better we all perform, the better.
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:This beautiful thing we're
creating is gonna happen, right?
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:Like it's gonna be even better.
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:But if we're competing, then we're
really pitting against each other.
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:But there's room for beauty, there's
room for beauty from everyone.
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:For Alyssa was her art, and sure,
her art demanded perfection from her,
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:She wasn't thinking about the rest.
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:She was thinking about herself.
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:I hope she keeps honoring
her artistry in that way
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:because I think I am still not there.
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:Definitely not there.
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:I haven't found, I guess I don't believe
myself as an artist enough to feel
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:that I'm just performing as an artist
Versus performing for an outcome.
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:Figure skating, I guess, showed
me quite a bit this weekend.
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:In these last Olympics, you had Alyssa
who came in with all the joy and all the
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:freedom she still had to put in the work.
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:Then Amber, who came in with all
the structure and all the support.
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:But she still wasn't free.
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:and then you had the quad God who came in
with all the dominance and expectations.
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:He's won 14 competitions in a row,
and that still didn't protect him
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:because he still got in his head.
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:We are all human
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:and we can rehearse as
much as we want and we can
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:nail the moves as many times as we can,
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:but we really do have to quiet
the voices in our head first.
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:learning more about these skaters,
not just watching them, but learning
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:more about them and sitting with.
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:My own feelings on Friday and
Saturday and Sunday and now today.
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:I think a few things kind of also
cracked in me as I think of the 60
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:minutes segment It also made me think
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:the expectations that they had
on her from when she was a kid.
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:Same with Amber, and same with the
massive expectations everyone had the
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:quad got going into these Olympics.
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:It triggered something for me.
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:'cause I remember people telling
me my whole life that I was
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:smart, that I'd do great things
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:and I think I still carry that
voice, the voice that says
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:that I wasted my potential.
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:The voice that says that
I wasted all my education.
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:'cause oh boy, was their
money poured into that thing
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:that I've wasted all of
the support I've been given
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:and I keep waiting for my comeback.
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:I see their stories and think,
oh shit, look, they came back
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:and did this great thing and I,
maybe I should try and do that.
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:But I think the point here is that
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:the only way that I'm going to do
that is if I come back because I want
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:to, not because I think I should.
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:If I come back because
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:I love it because I want to do
it because I want to show up.
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:I did call bullshit on Alyssa, but it
really wasn't calling bullshit on her.
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:I was calling bullshit on myself, on that.
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:Part of me that still believes that
joy can't be real without the gold.
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:I think I'm still in Amber's
camp right now, still feeling
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:the pressure, still performing
for something outside of myself.
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:But like Amber, I'm still
doing the work, the inner work.
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:I want to believe
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:in following your bliss and
following your joy and that the
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:universe will find you once you do.
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:And I do believe that sometimes
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:I need a reminder for when I don't, and
maybe, maybe just maybe playing MacArthur
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:Park and watching Alyssa spin on the ice
on her knees will be enough of a reminder
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:because as far as I know right now,
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:she's the inspiration.
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:We all need me included.
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:That's it for today.
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